slim pro patch they're of mediocre efficacy most of them are not super effective and then there's the you know the most extreme version of a weight loss treatment you can get which is bariatric surgery which essentially consists depending on the type of surgery you can get consists of actually getting surgery to reduce the size of your stomach so that it makes it impossible basically for you to eat calories and people lose a lot of weight with that surgery what I'll say about these programs is that unfortunately most of them are not effective are very minimally effective and if they are minimally effective it's mostly in the short-term there is not one diet that works better than other diets in terms of low carb Atkins whole thirty keto what the recent Mediterranean diet what the research shows is that they're all pretty much exactly the